Issue Resolved - re: 9 August 2007 1pm GMT - user uploaded files on read-only mode
By Joe on Thursday, August 9 2007, 14:48 - Service status - Permalink
UDPATE: 12.32 GMT 13 August 2007: The SiteMaker network was offline for approximately 13 hours between 7pm GMT on 9 August and 8am GMT on 10 August 2007. For 24 hours following this a minority of users (approximately 6%) suffered a loss of images on their sites while files were restored from backups. By 8am GMT Saturday 11 August all files were restored and all systems and sites fully operational again, though most users had service returned 24 hours prior to this.
This was the result of a critical systems failure in our file system that serves user uploaded files (e.g. JPEGS, MP3s, etc.). This was the first such failure of this system in our 8 year service history, and also the worst outage to affect the SiteMaker network during that time.
The events that led to the service going offline were complex and partly driven by safety procedures that kicked in to ensure that no further data was lost or corrupted. The network is designed to cope with system failures with no loss of service, but in this case we were unable to prevent it.
We fully understand that service disruption of this kind and duration is unacceptable and for this we sincerely apologise. We are taking further action in the next few days to ensure that this doesn't happen again.
If you are still seeing any lost files or unusual site behaviour, please submit a support ticket and we will follow it up to resolve this issue for you.
Detailed explanation of what happened
The SiteMaker network is built up by a large number of servers and data storage devices which work together to provide the service. Each machine has layers of redundancy in it, e.g. multiple pieces of hardware providing the same function, and each service has multiple machines in a pool to draw from, meaning that one or more could go offline with no loss to the overall service provision. In addition to this, all data is backed up both locally and in an offline facility.
This means that in most cases, the SiteMaker network is extremely resilient to failures, and customers will not notice any disruption while pieces of hardware are replaced or new machines added or removed from the pool.
So what went wrong?
Well the file system for user uploaded files is a large array of disks with many Terabytes of data (1000s of Gigabytes) on it. The disks are set up so that a number of them could simultaneously fail with no loss of data, and like the other services, all the data is backed up elsewhere.
The cause of the failure was a corruption of the file system data, which mean the location and references to some of the files on the disks were lost. This meant that while the files were still there, their location had become unknown to the system, and we could no longer serve them.
This failure caused the disk systems safety features to kick in and prevent any new files being added. It further required a full disk check to be run before services could be restored. This forced us to bring the whole service down to run the check. With many terabytes of data, this took 13 hours.
Once the disk system was happy that there were no disk errors, we brought the service back up and began the restore job for those files that had become 'lost'. For this we had to rely on our offsite backup, which had to sync back old data to the live system over the internet. Despite a 100mbs connection between the 2 facilities, this again took 12 hours before all files were restored.
What are we doing about it?
Two things caused us trouble here. Firstly, despite having large redundancy (multiple disks and backups) in the file system, we did not have a parallel file system capable of serving the files from backup while the primary file server was down. This we will rectify by investing in a parallel system which could kick in in event of the primary service going offline. This would allow us to avoid the first 13 hour downtime in event of a failure of this kind again (despite it having happened only once in 8 years, it's not good enough).
Secondly, the restoration of lost files took a long time to complete. This is because only a chunk of the live backup data is stored locally, with the majority held in an off-site facility. When this failure required is to check everything, we had no choice but to use the off-site copy. To rectify this we will invest in an additional full local backup, so that any future restorations can happen much more quickly. This would allow us to reduce the second 24 hour period, to around 1 or 2 hours, though the service would remain online throughout.
These changes will be in place within 3 weeks on the live system.
What can we take from this?
Systems are designed to minimise the risk of failure in any part. However, there are always risks to any system which can lead to outages. Indeed most of the biggest names on the internet do lose service from time to time.
In any system designed to be robust, when failure does happen, it's usually bad. So in this case, I can say that we are very proud and grateful to the engineering team that was able to put the system back together over this 36 hour period. And extremely grateful for the help and support provided by customers to identify problems and resolve them.
However, this 'unlikely event' explanation is never an excuse, and we fully accept that this has been a disruptive and painful experience for our customers. For this we sincerely apologise and commit to taking the action described above to prevent it happening again.
Thank you again for your support.
Joe
UPDATE 9.57 GMT 11 August 2007: The full restore finished around 9am GMT this morning. So all the images should be back. If you have specific pages where you are still missing images, then please submit these to the support queue as we will have to restore these manually. This may be the result of pages were being saved again which the images were missing, but cases should be rare. Thanks for your patience during this serious issue, and we'll follow will a full explanation and details for future plans.
UPDATE 8.41 GMT 10 August 2007: Site access has now been restored. File upload/delete has now been restored. There continue to be a minority of cases where files are missing. These are currently being restored from back-up and will be available over the next few hours. A full and detailed explanation of the incident will be provided once all systems are fully restored. We appreciate your patience in this.
Following a change on the file system, sitemaker users are currently unable to upload new files or delete old files. Existing files are being served in 'read-only' mode, so that in most cases your site will be unaffected. There is a minority of cases where the 'read-only' files cannot be displayed. We are working to resolve this issue.
Comments
Joe - How long is this Issue expected to last? I am developing a site for a client and it seems that this site is affected which is causing me problems. Knowing if and when this might be fully resolved would be a great help.
thanks
Justin
Arghhhhhhh one of my sites has lost most of it's images ???????????
Please resolve this soon moonfruit, out of 4 sites it has luckily only affected one !
Cheers
Saul
Hi, i've lost all the images on my site. I rely on these as an example of my work concerning my business. Could you please put out an update as to how long this problem is likely to take to resolve.
We're working on it now. It should be resovled within a few hours. Thanks, Joe
Thanks Joe!
We can't see our images on the website, no up loading, no images at all on the site.
Thank you Joe
Just a couple of questions, Joe,
(btw, I've found the answer to my previous question about why all pages only show the home page info when viewing page source on the website)
First question--When I use graphics font for the title and regular text for the content (I'm designing on a PC), when viewing the site on Macintosh computers, the format becomes totally out of alignment. I was told to correct this by using either all graphics font or all regular text font. I'm not satisfied with this answer since I would really like to use the graphics fonts for titles and regular fonts for content so I can create links, etc. Do you have any other suggestions?
Second questions--I have a page with directions that I would like to make easily accesible for viewers to be able to print. Is there any simple way to do this?
Thanks,
Paris
Most my images on our village have gone.
Hope it get's sorted soon.
Thanks
UPDATE: we are working to restore the file system, but will need to run a complete disk check before we can be sure all problems are fixed. With such a large volume of disk this will take up to 12 hours, at which point write access should be restored. We will provide a further update when we have more information.
Hi Joe does this disk check take down the network as its down
Scott
Hi Joe, What happened to my Moonfruit sites? this is getting really annoying, please fix this problem. thanks.
Having the site up and running without pics is better than having the whole network down. At least, we can put a comment on our sites rather than customers having no access at all.
Can u tell us when the this problem wil be sorted!!???
Allex
Our company was recently enterted into a local competition and voters view our website to learn about our company. On top of this, we pay for pay-per-click advertising and our clients make payments via our website. It would have been great if moonfruit's team sent e-mail notifications about tech problems versus having to have clients call about it.
- Very dissapointing!
True...I agree!!!!
Give us a update!!!
Wow....what is happening with our sites ? I am a max subscriber and have numerous sites---ALL of which are down, what is happenning with moonfruit ? I was really hesitant a year ago when I signed up (because of possible issues) and here it is. I have clients that need to check in with the sites--- this is embarrassing.
Give us a update!!!
UPDATE: The disk check is still in progress, and services will be restored as soon as we can be sure there is no corruption of data. We still expect this to be 10am GMT. We apologise for this interruption.
any chance to be fixed before?
My site is totally down... all I get is a white page stating you are doing maintenance and will be back up at 10 am GMT.
This means my business is totally on its knees... I sell products, I get email solitcitations for more services and my students use an online calendar to book lessons... you are killing me with each passing hour.
Needless to say, Im not pleased... I hear that some people have some life signs... but mine is totally out.. can you give me a functional / interim solution?
When will this be fixed?
I get a message "down for maintenance" when I go to my website. My clients use this often. I just got off a conference and many of the attendees will be looking at the site. This is painful...leaves a very bad image. Also, I am in West coast US, so these are the most active working hours.
RESOLVE SOON!!!! Trying is not good enough!!! Please find a solution, so that atleast the website pages are visible.
Even when I go to www.moonfruit.com, the same message appears.
Waht about the integridy of the sites? Are they going to be justa as the way they before!!
Are you guys going to charges us for this month?
Why you guys did not tell us before?
Why aways a surprise?
Is this going to happen again?
What you guys goig to do to repair this problem (costumer service)
Allex
Moonfruit, for the amount of business you guys have, this is very unprofessional to not notify in advance about the maintenance downtime. Also, the downtime is SIGNIFICANT to cause a serious dent in any business running on your infrastructure. This duration of downtime is unheard of in the industry in this day and age.
Again, like a few have already expressed - very disappointing!
Please try to get this up an running ASAP.
Are your guys from moonfruit going to answer some of those questions???
I have been with you for about 5 years now and the last few months has had more problems than all the previous years put together!
whats going on? come on moonfruit! I see you are getting alot of unhappy customers! if it carrys on, your gonna lose alot of business!
Tom xxxx
Is not just business is also trust!!
They dont even make a statement about the broblems and answer our questions!!
Where are you GUYS?????????
These past few months I have learned as a new customer that there is no reliability. This sucks! I would expect this from a free service - not one that you can pay for
I've added an update to the main blog text above. We will be posting a full explanation of what happened once everything is fully restored, including what changes we will put in place to prevent this happening again. Thanks for your patience. Joe
I still have no access to my site at all. Access has definitely not been restored for me!
Hi George, if you can post your site address we can look at it for you. I would also clear you cache as it my be loading the 'system down' page. Let me know how you get on.
Cheers Joe!
Hi George, I'm getting your site loading normally, and all images seem to be present. I would try clearing your cache, or pressing 'ctrl' + 'f5' on your keyword (if you're using a PC), which will do a full refresh. Let me know if that works.
Yup, tried that and it's worked (new to this technology lark), cheers!
I am trying to accees my account on the Moonfruit/Account page and I am getting the following message. When is this going to be restored.
All day yesterday I had issues adding files to my site due to an error message.
Site down for emergency maintenance!
Hi nrodwell2, I've had a look at your site and it seems to be working normally. If you can clear your cache on your computer and try reloading the page it should work. If you're using a PC press 'ctrl' + 'f5' for a full refresh. Let me know how it goes. Joe
Hi Joe, my site is back but my images are still missing. Do I need to upload them all again?
Thanks,
Sarah
Hi Sarah, no you shouldn't need to. We are restoring the missing images from back-up and they will become available over the next few hours. In the meantime, don't resave pages with missing images, as this may complicate the backup. Thanks, Joe
Hi.
The images on my/our moonfruit village website are not showing properly.
http://www.halevillageonline.moonfr...
http://www.halevillageonline.co.uk
Ok ,thanks Joe, i'll check back later on today.
Was this Maintenance pre-meditated? I suggest that moonfruit email it's customers prior to such thing so we can expect disruptions. I've received no notification nor seen any indication that this was going to happen - am I wrong?
If this jepodises new contracts that I have just made - Moonfruit may have a lot to answer for.
Regards
Ken Clarke
www.thepinkweddingdirectory.co.uk
Hi Ken, no this maintenance was not planned. We have created this system status category in the blog to better communicate planned and unplanned outages to our customers. Any planned maintence will be pre-empted by a notice of when and how long to expect the disruption. Most of the maintenance we perform is done with no service disruption.
This particular outage was due to a critical systems failure, which gave us no notice of the downtime. This required us to run a number of restoration procedures to recover things. We will provide a full explanation of what happened once all sites are fully working again. Thanks for your patience, Joe
Oh my G*d ! All of my images have gone from my website. Literally hundreds of them. No kidding ! My website is an image and description website. Please tell me that they can, and will, be restored. Otherwise, literally months of work down the drain. All my .swf -type .gifs are gone too, as is my front page flash graphic.
Hi Lavender, they will be restored. We have repaired the file system during the outage last night, and our scripts are now working to restore lost files from backups. They will return over the next few hours. In the meantime don't resave your pages, as this could complicate the restore. Thanks, Joe
Thanks Joe. Emotional collapse put on hold! Phew! I'll check back in around 4 hours, or so.
I am in the same position as LavenderofPilat.
There hundreds of images,, have I lost them?
I have been told the National Heritage Lottery people have been visiting my site for our Friends of group for our parks 8k bid for a renovation grant..
http://www.halevillageonline.moonfr...
http://www.halevillageonline.co.uk
Hi Joe, I realise you are working to resolve the issues caused by the present outage but can you give me an indication of when to expect things to be back to normal? At present none of my images are available either on the site or in the File Manager. My website is a tool to promote paintings and I rely very heavily on the images on the website. I'm still hoping to be able to work on the website today if poss. Thankyou, Katrine Rustad
Hi Joe,
Google Adsense is not working properly since yesterday is this also part of the problems in the network. Please look into this as the site depends on the incomes of Adsense. Thanks.
Back again. I have no access again to edit my site I've tried the same as last time (F5) but no joy this time. My website appears to be a blank black screen too.
Hi William, no you won't have lost the images, and they will be restored gradually over the next few hours.
Katrine, I can't give you a definite answer yet, we have restored some images, but many more are still in progress. When I have an ETA I will publish it.
Atlas, I can see AdSense ads working normally on your site, what kind of problems are you having?
George, I can still see you site normally and there has been no further disruption. I would try refreshing again, restrating your brower and clearing your cache. Thanks, Joe
We have still no pictures and can#t upload new pictures. The pictures archives has no images stored.
www.acoolworld.com / http://stbarthshopping.moonfruit.co...
Hi Joe.
Many thanks for your reply/acknowledgement.
It is much appreciated what you are doing in such difficult circumstances.
Thank you.
William
My site ( www.fremdclothing.com) still has no images.
As the whole site is image based, this is pretty embarrassing for any customers who come to my site.....
I really hope this is resolved soon.
Hi my site is still missing its photos and pics, any news on how long we have to wait before we get them back...
Cheers
Dave
Hi Dave, we've restored over 1 million site images, but not all sites have yet been fixed. We are about to start a mop up job that will scan over all remaining sites and restore files on a site by site basis. Once this is kicked off I will have a better idea of how long it will take to complete its run. We'll get there, and we appreciate your patience. Joe
thanks to Moonfruit for letting us know all glad your working on the problems look forward to full service soon :-)
Ok, the restore job part 2 is underway, which is restoring all files on a site by site basis for those that still have missing data. This is likely to take a few hours but during that time your sites will spring back to life. I'll confirm when this process is complete, but we should be in the home straights. Thanks, Joe.
Thanks for letting us know, hope my site is sooner rather than later ;-)
http://www.fremdclothing.com/ is waiting for the pics!
When the images are restored soon, will the html link info also be restored? Many of our images are links to other websites, files, etc. Thanks
Yes, any data associated with that image will be returned to that image. But while this is going on, please don't resave your pages as this could complicate the restore. Thanks, Joe
Owen, your site is back ;-) The others will follow shortly.
Hi Joe, Since this Closure yesterday i have experienced increasing 'Blank' Google Adsense Ad's.... My site relies on these, as do many peoples.... can you look into this problem?
Some pages are fine but the main page starts up with a blank white adsense box... this has only happened with this downtime...
When the Site's have another problem in about a week or 2 then what else will fail when they are restored?
Please help... I appreciate that the system is crumbling out on a regular basis and you are all despairing at your end aswell as ours... but please let us know about the adsense etc... do we need to re-build our sites somewhere else...?
If the system is just falling to pieces then please be honest with us.... it's not a good look for the software anymore...
jeff
www.liveforlondon.com
Hi Joe, still no sign of my images. Like a lot of other people I really do rely on these to sell my work. Especially at this time of year (wedding industry) i'm losing a lot of orders. How long now please?
Hi Joe - my site is still picture-less - can you give me any idea when it might be back please?
Pete
WoW Joe! Can't thank you enough for managing to recover all my files. Thanks heaps! Katti x
I still don't have background photos on my welcome page. Are you still fixing these problems?
Still no sign of pics on my website since yesterday afternoon. Can you update us on how things are going as it is affecting my business. Many thanks xx
Pics have just come back except for the main page, which I can redo myself. Many thanks in sorting this. Tara x
Back in business!
Thanks for the help Joe!
Still no joy at my website.
Most of the images in the photo gallery boxes have "no file found" in them, along with the images that are just embedded into position on some pages,, are not showing.
http://www.halevillageonline.moonfr...
Any help in my direction would be most appreciated. £130 odd I'm paying too for the maximum package
Hi guys, the restore is still going on, so some sites have returned to normal while others are still being worked on. They will all be back over the next few hours.
Jeff, I've had a look at your site and I don't get any blank google ads, and they correctly refresh on each page. If you take a look at your page impression stats on google this might give you a good idea of how wide the problem is. It could be a result of the temporary holding page, but if so, it will also right itself.
And as for the concern over the infrastructure, I appreciate that the last 4 weeks haven't been our finest, but they have related to very separate and unusual incidents. I'm afraid a run of bad luck has been the cause rather than a decaying infrastructure. We'll send out a note with a full explanation of what happened once everything is restored and let you know what we're doing in the future to help mitigate further risk. Thanks, Joe
Homepage WWW.Scooteristradio.Com
Whilst i understand you are having problems your end, when does moonfruit expect to have all the sites up and running, it has been 24 hours since i lost most of my site and i am slowly starting to think about moving my biz else where if problems are not sorted out soon.
Moonfruit! Yeay! I can see my site now but I'm unable to edit. Look forward to seeing that part up soon. ;)
Hi Dave, the reason for the delay is the sheer volume of data that we are dealing with. We've restored over 2m files to users sites, and transferring terabytes of data from our offsite backup facilities to our host centre. We've been running on a 40mbit connection at full burst for over 5 hours, but it still takes time. The sites will be back as soon as all the data is processed. We certainly appreciate that this has been a very difficult time for you too, and we will take action to make sure this doesn't happen again.
Diane, there shouldn't be any issues with editing, make sure you are logged in as the correct user. Let me know if you want and details confirmed. Thanks, Joe.
William, the hale site is back online now. Night all, see you tomorrow ;-) Joe
Hi, I've not commented yet but have also experienced all the drama since last night, I noticed my site not loading images and then went straight to this Moonfruit Lounge where all my questions were answered. I've been with Moonfruit for seven years now and have always been impressed by its service. I knew straight away that our websites would be restored back to normal.
My website holds all my travel blogs and photos and have worked on it from all over the world, so it means alot to me. I don't know what to do if it all just dissapeared!
For my own comfort, should I have back up of the texts I've typed? I mean, are all our websites backed up by Moonfruit say if the worst thing happens... does Moonfruit store all their data in a single location?
Despite the recent outages, I will always be with Moonfruit (unless it becomes unaffordable).
Hi Joe:
Some of our images have returned but the majority have yet to return. I understand that a major crash can take numerous hours to repair but it's been close to 48 hours since clients were able to view our website. Any idea of how much longer this will take? Help...
why is the moonfruit homepage still down
I still have pictures missing - I want things back to normal asap now, so can you give an estimated time please?
If necessary I can start uploading the pictures from scratch again - either way is fine but I don't want to go through another day without it being corrected.
Thanks
Thank you! The site runs perfect now. GOOD JOB and Thank you
Hi Joe, some of my pictures have returned. Do I need to upload the rest or are you still restoring images to sites.
Ignore comment no 79 - my site is fine now. All pages were OK apart from the ones which had been amended/re-saved yesterday. I assume this prevented the back-ups working properly?
Anyway, it's fine now.
Thanks
My Sites are up, however the only way for me to edit is to log in through the moonfruit main page--- and I can't seem to get that page on my screen---- please help.
Dear Joe
Most of my sites are perfect apart from two www.themadeiratimes.com and www.silvercoasthomes.eu I understand that these technical problems happen and would suggest to other users like me you contact your clients every step of the way inform them of what is happening. This will keep them happy. Luckily these two websites are very good friends of mine. Keep up the good work monnfruit excellent product.
Morning. It looks like the full restore finished around 9am GMT this morning. So all the images should be back. If you have specific pages where you are still missing images, then please submit these to the support queue as we will have to restore these manually. This may be the result of pages were being saved again which the images were missing.
Highimpactevents, your site looks like it has its images back. It looks like one is missing from the homepage, so please confirm what is not there and submit a ticket.
Tonigal, the moonfruit.com homepage is available. Try clearing your browser cache or pressing 'ctrl' + 'f5' (if you're on a PC) for a full refresh.
Sarahsis, your site looks to have all its images back, so should be working normally. Please confirm and if this isn't the case, then please submit a ticket with a specific page reference for what is missing. But it looks fine to me ;-)
Ruben, if you clear your cache moonfruit.com will be there. Also, you can always log into your site by going to http://www.celebrity-pr.com/login and using your details there.
And Ali, if there are some specific pages on these sites that still have image problems, then please submit a ticket to support and we'll get onto it for you. Thanks,
Joe
And Phil, thanks for the support! ;-)
Thanks for all your efforts Joe & co.. My website images appear to be okay, but it will take some time for me to be certain as there are so many.
Another tip that may be helpful - For anyone worried that the website is down when you try access it via your Favourites, and are getting a white page, as I did, refresh may not work. One thing you can do is this. Search Moonfruit on Google and click on, not the main 'find', but one of the 'sub-finds' of it, such as Gallery. That'll take you into the Moonfruit website.
Joe, I see that you'll be sending out an explanation. That's great. Do you actually know, in this instance, what was the cause though ? So that you can be sure that it'll not happen again in the near future. I ask purely because I'm concerned, as you probably are, that Moonfruit will end up losing revenue if people start giving it poor reports. I like your facility very, very much and, bearing in mind, also, all the work that we all put into our websites, and the fact that we can't backup our websites in their entirety (images included), nor transfer to another provider if the crunch came, would dread to think that Moonfruit, through losing custom, may become unprofittable and disappear as a result. Hope you don't think me rude to ask, but it's inevitably on my mind, having read some of the comments above.
Hi Joe, I can't upload files onto my website. I've tried both multiple and single upload options, neither of them work. I get an error saying :" Server returned 500 internal " and also
Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.5 Server at 4006060257 Port 80
I'm assuming this is an overhang from yesterdays outage? Please can you look into it for me? Sincerely, Katrine
Same as Katrine. I can't either. I get this message ; "Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, theteam@sitemakerlive.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.5 Server at 4006056677 Port 80"
By the way, the message I posted here a few hours ago hasn't appeared. There was nothing bad in it.
Is anyone there? I am still struggling with my website. I keep getting the same message as before : " Server returned 500 internal " ... & "The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request."
Please contact the server administrator, theteam@sitemakerlive.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.5 Server at 4006056677 Port 80"
In addition to this when I tried to edit one of my pop-up galleries just now all the images on it suddenly disappeared but fortunately I was able to revert & retrieve them. Is it wise for me to continue working on the website at this time? Or do I risk losing work? I was unable to work on my website yesterday & was hoping to work on it today. I would appreciate some feedback. Katrine
Again .... Exactly the same as Katrine. Please respond. This isn't a good situation. I need to know if it's 'safe' to work on my website and I need to be able to upload images. See my posts before Katrine's for the error message encountered. Is anyone there PLEASE ?
Sadly, I am still a long way short of being operational still. Visitors can access my site luckily. I cannot get in to my account page, it has been saying that the page is down for essential maintainence for nearly two days now so I can't get in to edit. Several of the pages of Moonfruit's site I cannot access due to being told that I need to install Flash. This was already on my computer but I downloaded the latest version anyway, and it is still telling me that I need to install flash. Very put out over the problems this time!
Regards
Robin
Hi Joe. Thanks for responding to my posts and for timely answers to our questions. The site is back to normal however we decided to change the images that were missing in 2 places on our home/index page. Thank you again for your communication with me!
As a newer customer using moonfruit's service for less than two months, this was a very scary weekend for our business. We hope that moonfruit will be able to send e-mail alerts, etc. about programming/technical issues in the future. This will help your customers have a better chance at informing potential clients, advertisers, readers, etc. about thier own technical difficulty.
Good luck with continued updates and maintenance. Thanks Again!
Dear Joe
I am getting seriously concerned as this now going into the fourth day of inoperational system. We have a new product launch this week and I need to do alot of amendments, If your system is going to be down for another week then at least I can try and make alternative arrangements until you are fully operational again. Please advice.
Cant upload any images, did download latest version of Java (again), but still not working. Really need to update my site.
Site
WWW.ScooteristRadio.Com
Joe
Please help. on the dave porter show page number 63 the audio drops after 1 min and does not return, this is the second time this has happened, first time i reloaded the file SIR63(c)
could someone look into this for me please...
Many thanks
Dave
For the 4th day, I can't log in to my account to make any changes on my sites. I'm still getting the same message:
Site down for emergency maintenance!
This site is currently unavailable whilst maintenance is taking place.
We expect to be back online 10AM GMT
We apologise for any inconvenience.
When will this be fixed ?
Hi Katrine, Lavender, and Tara - for any uploading issues we'll have to look at that on a specific site basis for you. The best thing to do is submit a support ticket and make sure you give the site address (lavender) as we won't be able to correct it otherwise.
Chestertonrob and Andrew - for any 'site down for emergency maintenance' issues, this page has not been served on our system since Friday morning, so if you're still seeing it, it will be a cache issue. Clear your browser cache (or press 'ctrl' + 'f5' if using a PC) to refresh it. You can always log into your site by going to http://www.robschurches.moonfruit.c... e.g. /login at the end of your address, so you can make changes there.
Hi Ali, I'm not sure I fully undertstand the problem your facing, your www.silvercoasthomes.eu site looks ok, but your www.themadeiratimes.com site looks like it has some images missing, can you confirm, and please submit a support ticket with the details so we can follow it up.
Hi Dave, if you can submit this as a support ticket we can track it and follow it up to make sure that it is correctly resolved.
Thanks guys, Joe
Thankyou for responding Joe. I've resubmitted my query. Website included plus Internal Server Error details. Please look at this as soon as possible. Thanks. My original support ticket number was Ticket#2007081101000861 The new one is Ticket#2007081201000967
I'm also concerned by what Katrine had to say .... "In addition to this when I tried to edit one of my pop-up galleries just now all the images on it suddenly disappeared but fortunately I was able to revert & retrieve them. Is it wise for me to continue working on the website at this time? Or do I risk losing work?" This may affect what I do also. Is it safe to edit and save on our websites at present please ?
Hi Joe, thanks very much. That worked!! Please disregard my Query to Customer Services as all is working well now. I should have said in my first posting that for a while I had no log in options on any of my sites. These have now come back so all is well.
Sincere thanks
Robin
Dear Jo
I have summitted alot of tickets over the passed few days. www.themadeiratimes.com has half of its pictures missing. www.silvercoasthomes.com has half of its pictures missing. None of the sites I can upload any new photos. So really whats happening?
Dear Lord! Is anyone going to address my issue of being unable to upload any images? I have been very patient but my patience is wearing thin. I submitted my first query over 24hrs ago & still no reply. This is my new ticket no. [Ticket#2007081201001162] I would really appreciate any feedback you might have Joe. Would you please look into this problem for me? Thanks. Katrine
Hi Lavendar, Ali and Katrine, the CS team is working through the tickets now, I'll follow up on yours and make sure they are resolved quickly. Thanks, Joe
Service Update:
File uploading problems (Internal Server Error) is currently being fixed. We are running a script which should correct this error for all those sites that had still been encountering the problem.
If you still find you cannot upload files (images, music files etc) please use our Submit a query form, give us your site name and we will remedy this as quickly as we can.
If you already have a query posted please be patient as we work through them as democratically as we can. We are trying to address the most serious issues first but we will respond to each and every single query. Thanks.
I had just finished a new site and I had people tell me I took the site down? I thought theyw ere out to lunch and then thought ahh it's down again as in previous weeks. Now to log in and see this post with 100 replies. All my sites seem to be up and running now... but thats not the point.
The bottom line here folks is moonfruit is a small company... very small obviously....with little experience and a real crappy back-bone for servers... the company they re affiliated with for back up or redundancy is also micky mouse. You can do a search for hosting company's being down and record downtimes and I doubt you find anything like this situation let alone the last few months. The problems from a 6-8 weeks ago was met with ..."oh this is the first time in 5 years this has happened".... now we get ..."this is the first time in 8 years this lon og outage has happened"
How about some "credit" $ for our downtime? If my cable company goes down for a day they credit me that day no questions asked.
You know what... I don't want to know details... I want uptime of 99.8% like the rest of the internet receives. I pay for it. DELIVER IT !
thecompletist
Hi thecompletist, thanks for the constructive feedback.
I appreciate your frustration. These things always seem worse when they have happened close together. I know you're not a big fan of detail, but it is worth remembering that even 13 hours downtime in August, still equates to 98.3% uptime in that month.
Even taking these two incidents together, would still give us an uptime for the year to date of 99.6%, which if we can avoid further incident this year, we would infact reach 99.8% by the end of the year.
Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it!
I haven't commented on all of this yet - and so would like to say...
...this latest episode had seriously caused me to fear whether or not I would have to try to find a web design program as powerful and versatile as Sitemaker 4.0 - but which allowed you to choose your own 'proper' host - who actually guarantee their service levels. Slightly perturbingly - the running theme in Moonfruit Terms & Conditions is how service is not guaranteed in any way whatsoever - and if there is downtime - they are fully within their rights for this to happen.
HOWEVER - This program and the Moonfruit team are difficult to turn one's back on - and this episode has at least this time, served as an opportunity for Moonfruit to prove one way or the other whether they are closer to the Mickey Mouse operations already mentioned - or their more heavy-duty brethren.
It seems that their aspirations are definitely toward the latter - and I'm happy to stay on board and ride these growing-pains out with them.
I've researched the market several times over (Homestead, Webstudio, Ezlava - and tonnes more) - and nothing else brings together in one place - what Moonfruit does.
Wishing you and the team luck, Joe - and you have my continued support.
Arif
Actually I am not sure why I said 99.8% when really the popular phrase is 99.9% of course.... from the beginning of the internet ..it's always been 99.9%. Here is one site I found that sings what many others do.
We guarantee that our services will be available an average of 99.9% of the time. If your web site is not available 99.9% of the time in a given month, we will credit the amount of downtime to your next month's (or billing period's) hosting fees four fold. What this means is that if your site is down for a period of 12 hours, you will be credited on your next bill for a period of 48 hours.
So you are not a hosting company... thats for sure.. and Arif I know I have checked around too and Moonfruit is feature rich to say the least. I do love the service as a MAX subscriber... Hopefullly the boys grow from this and we all win down the road with a better service.... how many of you are there anyways?
On another note... how far away is the new message board system?
thanks
Jeff aka thecompletist
This issue is NOT resolved.
I have just spent over 30minutes re-adding images to my website and adverts within it. After saving it all I have opened it up in a new window and more images have disappeared!? What IS going on?!
Regards
Ken Clarke
Hi Ken, if you can submit a support ticket and detail which pages you are missing images from we can take a look. Thanks, Joe
Hi Joe,
With all your busy-ness lately, I can understand why you haven't been able to answer my questions (post #8), so I would like to post them again:
First question--When I use graphics font for the title and regular text for the content (I'm designing on a PC), when viewing the site on Macintosh computers, the format becomes totally out of alignment. I was told to correct this by using either all graphics font or all regular text font. I'm not satisfied with this answer since I would really like to use the graphics fonts for titles and regular fonts for content so I can create links, etc. Do you have any other suggestions?
Second questions--I have a page with directions that I would like to make easily accesible for viewers to be able to print. Is there any simple way to do this?
Thanks,
Paris
Hi Joe, this is a new problem I've encountered. I've recently purchased a laptop which uses Windows Vista. The problem is I am unable to type on my site or any Moonfruit website. There seems to be a delay in typing and this causes some letters to go missing. At the moment, I have to use Wordpad then copy text and paste it on my sites. Is this something you already know about? And is there anything being done about it.
It's probably Moonfruit's busiest time but I would appreciate your response. Cheers.
Hi Paris,
yes that is a problem in the way that PCs and Macs render the system fonts. Because they use different font sets, if they do not match exactly, you do get some difference in how they are displayed. This is a very common problem in HTML page design. The solution is to use graphic fonts if you want to be sure they render exactly the same. If you want to apply links, you can always use the 'image map' widget which is in the 'functional' folder of the file manager. This allows you to place invisible buttons over the top of objects, which will allow you to make links on parts of graphic fonts. Ultimately we will add links to graphic fonts, but this is a technical challenge.
As for the directions, pages will print from the browser, but this is not always reliable on different browsers/platforms. For directions, you could produce a .doc or .pdf file that contains a map and direction, and place it as a download link on the page, which people can open, print or take away. I hope that helps,
Joe
Hi Phil,
Yes, we are aware of the Vista issue. It seems that some versions of Vista have a problem with text entry in Flash (not all vista, not just Moonfruit), which is one of those particularly irritiating 'new microsoft operating system' bugs. Because this issue affects all Flash sites, it will be something Adobe and MS will be looking at, but we are also investigating to see if there is something specficially we can do to slove it. I believe it is only in Internet Explorer, so it may be worth using Firefox on your new PC when editing, which will make things easier until the problem is solved. But we're working on it. Thanks,
Joe
Hey guys, great explanation, also great to see your determined to solve rather than finger crossing!
I appreciate that if i was on another server, it would go down from time to time, normally without an explanation, so even as it may cost us some lost profit, these things happen, its the internet!
Although the down times arent good enough i still think the service is exceptional!
Cheers
S
Hi, can anyone help please, I have today lost two pages from my site the menu is still active but the pages are blank. Very strange as they both disapeared at the same time. My site has been quite busy over the last few days and not sure how to keep a back up.
Thanks again.
Al.
Hi Al,
If you can submit a query through the Support pages and give us as much detail as possible on the problem, what pages went missing, what time (if possible), we will investigate for you.
Walt
Joe/Walt,
It's been exhaustive to check through every page of my website as I have soooo many pages. I'm afraid that, if I've missed anything, and discover it missing at a later date, will you still be able to restore what's missing even though I've continued to work on the site, editing and saving text and images ? Or will I then lose all that I've added, edited and saved SINCE any data was actually lost ? Know what I mean ?
Thanks.
Hi Lavender, if any files are missing we'll be able to restore those, but if the pages have been changed/edited, they may no longer refer to the files so they might not be displayed. But this is on a page by page basis, so if you find something missing on a page you haven't edited, we can probably get that back. We could always revert to a previous saved version, but you'd then lose more recent changes.
In reality if you haven't noticed anything missing, then it is likely that the files are fine, in most cases whole folders were affected, so it was all or nothing. I hope that helps,
Joe
Thanks Joe. That answers my concerns for now.
I am still have problems with my site being slow, people are having trouble getting the links to open and I have to refresh my page at least 4 times to actually see the front page load.
I am still getting complaints from my clients to say that their websites are not running as well as they were.
Hi Damside, we have no current issues on the network and everything is running normally. The first thing to do would be to clear your browser cache to make sure you are getting the latest versions of everything. If this doesn't work, please sumbit a support ticket with the details of which site and which pages you are having trouble with and we'll follow it up. Thanks,
Joe
My printing site has been fine over here and I've checked 5 or 6 others and all seem to be loading quite well. That is good news and hope all is stable !!!